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Post by 40oz on Jan 22, 2018 13:24:48 GMT -5
Sup hipsters. I wanna talk about Doom wads, but I don't want to talk about the cacoward winners. I want to talk about stuff that's cool before people knew they were cool. There's a special feeling that's difficult to describe. It's a feeling when you're playing a map made by a member of TeamTNT that no one talks about. The map isn't on /idgames. You find it an obscure independent Doom map review blog. The review has pixelated 320x200 .jpeg screenshots taken in DOOM95 and all the text is in Times New Roman, and the background is a repeating SP_HOT texture. You can't find this map anywhere else, but you got it! And no one else knows about it! I got this same feeling when someone PM'd me a link to the full bootleg version of PG-RAW, the full 32 map megawad of Perdition's Gate, which up until that point, was a commercial product and only the PG-LTD 15 map shareware demo was available to download on /idgames. The megawad wasn't commercially available on any site to purchase, but if you were lucky, you could find the physical boxed CD for Perdition's Gate and Hell to Pay on ebay from an obscure mom&pop software shop that just went out of business and has to sell all its assets. I got this same feeling when I played the first level of "The Killing Fields of Io," part two of the Lost Episodes of Doom. Up until I found the entire set, only the first episode by Chris Klie was available to download for free. But I got it! The Doom wad I wasn't supposed to have!!! I don't know how to articulate exactly what makes a wad vintage, but I know it when I play it. Sometimes it involves maps from an author who is no longer active with Doom (or even has a presence on the internet.) Dr. Sleep, for example, is an excellent mapper and an extraordinary Doom fan. He's gone completely off the grid, but you can still find his maps and read his .txt files. Sometimes you can find a short Doom 1 Episode on a shovelware wad compilation CD thats actually really good. It has a fascinating plot, some interesting MS Paint textures with story text on it, or a picture of the mapper's cat, with the cat's name and owner's phone number and house address that he hasn't lived in since 1998. The maps wouldn't be good in any other context, but somehow that connection to the unknown makes it so much more invigorating than playing a new release that gets posted around. Something about that makes the experience so much more pleasurable. I don't know what it is, but there's a weird feeling of "I'm not supposed to know about this" that makes some Doom wads so much more fascinating. I don't know what the fuck that is, exactly, but I love me some vintage wads.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:52:36 GMT -5
Do you want us to link some or would that ruin their appeal?
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Post by BattleKorbi on Jan 22, 2018 13:56:23 GMT -5
Same feeling. Feels like time travel when doing that. There is something so charming going into early fanmods and maps of every game, and so is with Doom. When standards were modeled after the creators, who themselves didn't had a idea... Its weird, funny and interesting, like reading somebody's diary By the way, have any of those super weird and old maps that aren't like any today, like SCHOOLDOOM (I think its called that way)? Not asking for quality, just quantity :3
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Post by 40oz on Jan 22, 2018 14:30:47 GMT -5
Do you want us to link some or would that ruin their appeal? Tease me a little bit, first! Sell the wads to me! Post some excerpts from the text file. low resolution screenshots only. I want to see a geocities page where I can read a review about how the reviewer and his brother played deathmatch on it in his stepmom's basement. Show me a craigslist ad where someone is giving away their long lost doom wads they found on their now deceased dad's pentium II, made back when he worked for Blockbuster. I'll only take the link if you send it to me in an irc chatroom and the zip file should have a password like 'blueberryjam' or 'mulligan' or something.
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Post by valkiriforce on Jan 22, 2018 15:07:42 GMT -5
I feel that way about some wads - Jim Flynn's Titan series is great, and of course I was very curious about the Odessa series which has thankfully been put up by Bob Evans himself. There is something special about finding something that you otherwise couldn't find firsthand on idgames or any other download sites hosting Doom PWADs. I feel the same way about music when you find out about some of your favorite groups recording demos and other unreleased material - an example of this is my favorite band Vertical Horizon, as they actually have quite a few live "exclusive" songs they play but have never released on any records. I felt like I had stumbled on a treasure trove when I found out I could find a number of these songs when I searched them on the Internet Archive where concert goers would record whole concerts of theirs from the 90's and early 2000's. I'm curious what other rare wads are out there that I don't know about.
Part of me has also been tempted to release some levels this way, like when I did play the Titan series I had downloaded them from Flynn's old website. It'd be kind of a nice alternative to making levels that otherwise aren't as "out there" as your other works or aren't totally sure about them. If I ever finish Scarlet Echoes I might just upload it to Doomshack and be done with it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 15:23:11 GMT -5
Oh hai I'm sorry to break the magic but The Lost Episodes of Doom is a package of maps that are available on the archive, KMX E XII covers this well in his review though those were uploaded years later it seems. Anyway this thread made me think of when I used to play Maximum Doom wads when I was 12/13. I liked to play a megawad that was called newdoom, and other megawads from there as well. They are basically compilations of maps and they even share some maps between each other, and many of the maps can be found as standalone wads. I don't know if I want to replay them now, I guess that overall those will be mixed bags of mostly meh stuff and with some nice moments here and there, but I still have some good memories of certain levels. But my favourite level was fortdeth.wad, a single map for Doom 2. It's a big brown castle (everything is brown actually lol), with a cool new sky, some custom textures and a spooky dungeon with a cyberdemon; a big exploratory level with a good sense of place. It's weird for me to think that this map I played more than 10 years, and kinda forgot about it, already had many features that make up my favourite kind of maps now. Edit: I'm not sure how much of this is on topic though... :-/
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Post by 40oz on Jan 22, 2018 15:38:34 GMT -5
I got this same feeling when I played the first level of "The Killing Fields of Io," part two of the Lost Episodes of Doom. Up until I found the entire set, only the first episode by Chris Klie was available to download for free. But I got it! The Doom wad I wasn't supposed to have!!! I'm sorry to break the magic but The Lost Episodes of Doom is a package of maps that are available on the archive, KMX E XII covers this well in his review though those were uploaded years later it seems. I think I got my first copy of the full version from some abandoned software site, it had the CD ISO and I got it from there. It's a good thing these wads get uploaded but it does kinda take away from the vintage feel when you play them for the first time. Anyway this thread made me think of when I used to play Maximum Doom wads when I was 12/13. I liked to play a megawad that was called newdoom, and other megawads from there as well. They are basically compilations of maps and they even share some maps between each other, and many of the maps can be found as standalone wads. I don't know if I want to replay them now, I guess that overall those will be mixed bags of mostly meh stuff and with some nice moments here and there, but I still have some good memories of certain levels. But my favourite level was fortdeth.wad, a single map for Doom 2. It's a big brown castle (everything is brown actually lol), with a cool new sky, some custom textures and a spooky dungeon with a cyberdemon; a big exploratory level with a good sense of place. It's weird for me to think that this map I played more than 10 years, and kinda forgot about it, already had many features that make up my favourite kind of maps now. Edit: I'm not sure how much of this is on topic though... :-/ You got the right idea! There are some maps that kinda/sorta feel vintage now because the members have left the community. ScytheX feels kinda special since it is unfinished and Erik Alm seems to be completely done with Doom at this point. Even Sunder feels a little vintage now that no one knows where Insane_Gazebo is. I always wondered what this feeling was and I wonder if I could recreate it in my own wads. I'm not sure if I can though because... I'm still here! Do you have to hide the link somewhere so people accidentally stumble upon it? Or upload it somewhere anonymously? It's something I'm not sure I've fully understood yet. But the mystery behind it makes it so captivating.
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Post by 40oz on Jan 22, 2018 15:45:18 GMT -5
I feel the same way about music when you find out about some of your favorite groups recording demos and other unreleased material - an example of this is my favorite band Vertical Horizon, as they actually have quite a few live "exclusive" songs they play but have never released on any records. YES its common with music. Back in 2006 I had a friend link me to some mp3's that he got through limewire of some unreleased songs by System of a Down. It was crazy, I owned and listened to all their albums many times over to the point where I memorized the track order and all the lyrics, but to hear them doing different songs that are out of character for their particular style was mesmerizing (lol)
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Post by Olroda on Jan 23, 2018 15:22:02 GMT -5
Great topic. One glance at that picture made my knuckles itch! We have those over here too - or should I say especially here. They are mostly confined to their ghetto in the city however, but sometimes they venture out elsewhere, showing off how 'alternate' they are while doing and looking exactly the same as the rest of their ilk. While observing their behaviour (such as drinking orange juice straight out of the container in a crowded street, just because) I have concluded that red-haired males with bushy beards and thick black spectacle frames are overrepresentated purveyors of hipsterism. Just look at the pipe-smoking focus of the picture above! I've always wondered why it is so, but I haven't found any satisfactory explanation yet.
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Post by sarais on Jan 23, 2018 18:46:33 GMT -5
I recall "DTS-T" to some extent. Probably not the best megawad out there, but still entertaining in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 7:24:56 GMT -5
I could prattle on about this for ages and might tomorrow, but like the hipster piece of shit that I am I've tried to preserve as many 90s Doom sites as I possibly could and did find several interesting files this way. Most times, either a newer or older version (or some kind of somehow related wad) would be found on /idgames, but the point is it often isn't the same version. Browsing these kinds of sites in the late 90's as an impressionable youth lead me to some of my earliest and still most highly regarded maps, it's cool the be able to do it again in some kind of way. Christ, I need to cut myself off or I'm just going to keep typing. doomshack.org/olddoomsites.html
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Post by 40oz on Jan 24, 2018 7:54:16 GMT -5
I love those old Doom sites. I was just looking at DoomCenter.com, it's so simple! It has a lot of content but most of the content is like 1-2 sentence news reports.
"Some guy released some screenshots of his new short episode project. He plans to release it next month."
"We have an irc chatlog interview with the guy from made this megawad!"
"One of our fans made a Doom desktop wallpaper. Check it out here!"
It's nice to have a single place that keeps everyone in the loop of what's going on. Even though Doomworld has many thousands of content creators, it's hard to keep track of everything that's going on and I always wonder if I'm missing out on something. I wonder if Doomer Boards could be a reliable Doom news site. @glenzinho does a pretty awesome job at keeping the "Doom Community Happenings" thread alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:02:54 GMT -5
Somewhat relevant and arguably vintage are Kristian Aro’s four maps made in 1998-99 for Doom millenium which he has just released.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jan 27, 2018 12:48:55 GMT -5
I uploaded Tom Mustaine's homage.wad to IDgames which used to be only to be able to be downloaded from his blog, now nobody will be able to feel the feeling of personal hipster space while playing that WAD ever again!
Muhahahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 7:09:29 GMT -5
I don't remember when I've heard of The Last Revenger, a one-man russian megawad made in the late 90's, and in the text file there's a 2006 date of a final version but it isn't clear. It was also uploaded on the archive by another guy since the wad was originally found on Doom Wad Station. I don't remember if I played all the levels, I'll need to replay it at some point. Most of the maps are large and very confusing, you have to do lots of obscure stuff to advance and it was of the few times I had to use Doom Builder to finish the levels. In some parts you have to press certain walls to progress or interact with stuff but those aren't switches, and I think that after a while I noticed that oddly it was made with some logic behind it. The levels have a somewhat realistic approach but they rely too much on symmetric or copy-pasted areas. And to finish the monsters sounds are replaced with russian speaking, which of course I don't what they say but by their tone I guess it should be some silly stuff.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 8, 2018 13:41:23 GMT -5
Somewhat relevant and arguably vintage are Kristian Aro’s four maps made in 1998-99 for Doom millenium which he has just released. Piggybacking off of this, Chris Hansen released his Doom Millenium map too! Download
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:02:58 GMT -5
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Post by optimus on Mar 21, 2019 14:24:38 GMT -5
Oh boy, that's a bit old post to necro but I remembered something. I know that feeling, of finding old forgotten things, old WADs, old programms/games/your own old work on some forgotten HD, things that are halfly destroyed and everyone has lost them, nobody has that version of WAD or that version of some other piece of software (I have an idea of some forgotten things forever lost in the demoscene community I was involved for example). Anyway, one thing I remember was that back in early 2000s I was looking at the site of a guy called Jez. He also had a page on C64 demos which I was also interested, now the site doesn't exist, don't know where this guy is, but can barely find stuff through the web archive. web.archive.org/web/20010418104857/http://home9.inet.tele.dk/jez/wads.htmSo anyway, this guy had made some WADs back in the days, and I remember that WAD called The Garden, which he was proud for doing some scary trap where you fall in a dark room with hanging bodies, but never finished. And I had seen this preview, we talked even and discussed that maybe I could finish it if I wanted, but forgot it and now it's lost forever. He also made an episode called Jez Doom and I remember that because recently I found a very old Doomworld post back in 2004 where a single guy asked for that exact WAD and nobody answered (that reminded me of xkcd 979 www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/30071-looking-for-old-wad/I can't find any of Jez's WADs nowhere, not in my HD, and maybe I did searched idgames, maybe I should search some more archives and old CDs. God, that feeling of hidden forgotten treasures.. Update: Just to add, I found one of his WADs at Wad Archive. So there is hope. www.wad-archive.com/wad/MINIPACK
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Post by Justince on Mar 21, 2019 14:44:11 GMT -5
Shit man, now you've got me wanting to play it...
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Post by thundercunt on Mar 21, 2019 15:11:47 GMT -5
during the 00s, there was a brazilian doomer that made at least 4 full megawads and claimed that he had made over 200 maps. I think nothing of this was ever uploaded to idgaymes and everything was lost to rapidshare, megaupload or some other defunct file host. these are the most hipster wads that I can think of, and don't worry, they were all amateur crap, so nothing really valuable was lost
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 4:08:25 GMT -5
Wasn't Benjamin Pulido by any chance?
God damn he made a lotta garbo.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 31, 2020 22:07:56 GMT -5
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Post by marriagecounselor on Aug 1, 2020 21:52:28 GMT -5
those screenshots sort of remind me of Requiem
i shoulda put my links to The Abyss wad and The Secret Path wad in this damn thread, not the other one.
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